I haven't done a Ms. B advice column in years, mostly because I started to feel woefully unqualified to offer actual advice (I don't knoooooow, everything is so nuanced! This feels too hard!). Also fewer people started asking me for advice on this blog, so that made it easy to stop offering it. Lol. BUT a blog reader (they still exist!) wrote in with a question that I'm going to do my best to respond:
Hi, I know you don't do your Ms B advice column anymore but I wonder if you could revive it (even here in the comments?) one last time. I had a neighbor say that she didn't believe that people who couldn't have babies should be able to have 'lab babies'. My child is a baby born thanks to IVF and she knows this. What do I do? How do I continue to be civil go this person? Should I even try? She has two children close in age to my child, and my child likes playing with them. I need advice, and I don't know who else to ask. (You can feel free to not post this question and answer this anonymously, if you like - if you do choose to answer it. Thank you if you do!) - Anonymous
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Dear Anonymous,
So I confess that I outsourced this question to my best friend whose two darling babies were conceived via IVF and her response was (and I quote): "What. The. Actual. F#$%?!" She then followed that up with, "Does she want to maintain this relationship?"
So we'll start there. Actually, let's start by saying that the neighbor was way, way out of line. Being entitled to an opinion is not the equivalent of having the right to say to a neighbor that you think their child should never have been born. I'm sorry that you had to hear that, and I know it had to be unbelievably hurtful.
Back to the question: Do you want to have any kind of relationship with this neighbor and, if so, what kind of relationship would that be? It seems like it would be hard to be more than cordial with someone who would say that to you, so I'm guessing you're not looking to build a real friendship. Can you avoid her and still let your children play together? Are you comfortable letting your child play in her house/yard without being there?
Next question: Would you rather put on a thin veneer of politeness and never confront her about this statement, or are you just looking for the right words?
We're all pretty well socialized on how to seethe silently and never confront someone, so if that's what you choose, I'll just say that you're not wrong to prioritize keeping the peace for the sake of your child or for your own mental health if the idea of confrontation really stresses you out. It might not be worth it. As long as I was confident the neighbor would never say something hurtful directly to my child, I don't think I would try to put limits on the friendships with her kids. And for that reason, I can see the benefit of just avoiding her as much as possible but keeping things peaceful so that the kids can still play.
However, her opinion is likely never to change if she's never asked to reflect on it. If you decide to have a conversation with her, I would imagine starting with something like this:
"You know, you made a comment a while back that has really been bothering me, and I wanted to make sure I understood what you said." Or "You said something a while back that I can't stop thinking about, and I'm not sure you realized how hurtful it could be."
Presumably she'll look shocked and ask you to say more, and then you can say, "When you said that you don't think people who aren't able to have kids should not be able to have 'lab babies,' are you talking about children who are born through IVF?"
Pause to let her talk... and I have no way of knowing how this might go. She might talk about religious beliefs, in which case you'll have to say firmly, "Well, we obviously have very different opinions on this issue but I'll pray for you" and leave it at that. Or she might try to explain it in some other way. Best case scenario, she apologizes! If not, you can listen and then say, "You are aware that we were able to have [child's name] because of the miracle of IVF?" and see if she has further comment.
If she doubles down, then you know she is unkind and pretty toxic and you want to avoid her. You can close the conversation by saying something like, "I think it is easy for you to have those opinions because this has never been your personal struggle. I'm grateful every day for my child." And then walk away.
If she seems open to a conversation and you feel like sharing, you could talk more about your experience with infertility, or the issue of infertility more broadly and see if you can get to a clearer understanding or educate her about how to be a little more empathetic. It's possible that she has never deeply reflected on what her statement actually means or how it would impact people that she actually knows. (It's easy to make sweeping statements, but it's much harder to be hateful up close.)
The other thing you can do is to write a letter or email, starting it the same way you might a conversation, but without having to wait for her to respond. You can restate what she said and explain how it made you feel. This leaves open three outcomes:
- She confronts you and is unapologetic or she tries to offer context but stands by her statement.
- She apologizes.
- She avoids you forever.
But at least you'll get to say your piece and she'll know where you stand.
Once again, I'm sorry you had to hear someone say that. I'm so grateful for IVF as it has created some of the coolest kids I know. Celebrate your miracle kiddo and know that the opinions of your neighbor can never diminish the value and sparkle that your child brings to the world.
xoxo,
Ms. B
Three of my grandchildren were created via IVF. The idea of them not existing is unfathomable. Thank God for technology!
ReplyDeleteThank you so much for answering my question, and to you, Monica, and commenter Andrea (above) for your kind comments. Your validation of my anger, my desire to have nothing more to do with this woman, and the marvel and wonder and sparkle of children born thanks to IVF was balm to my seriously hurt feelings, and I thank you from the bottom of my heart for it.
ReplyDeleteAfter a lot, lot, lot of thought about this (and discussions with my husband, and reading and re-reading your advice - apologies posting this thank-you comment has taken so long, it has been a busy week), I think I have decided to maintain a cordial but distant relationship with this neighbour. I'm not looking for friendship with her (how could I be, knowing not only what she thinks about this, but also some of her other questionable attitudes?), but as long as our children are young (they are still toddlers),I'll smile and be polite as long as I can. Also in the mix is that while I don't think she is the most popular among our neighbours (there are 3-4 families within several houses' distance with children around the same age and we are friendly with each other), she is the most social and also the most gossipy. So, I'm worried trying to address this with her will not go well and would come back to bite me (and, more worryingly, my son - the person for whom I would do anything).
For what's it's worth, I don't think she was thinking when she said it. She's not well informed, thrives off misinformation, loves to run her mouth, and is - frankly - a little stupid. As you note, she's a person who is hateful generally, not with people she knows. She has, actually, been very nice to our family (and is incredibly generous with my son), she was just spouting off nonsense and this came out and, unfortunately, I was there.
I say all this not to excuse her actions, or excuse *my* actions (since I am sure many people think I should have it out with her and let her know how wrong she is and never have anything to do with her again - believe me, a big part of me would like to do all that). In the end, I know her opinion doesn't matter, but my goodness it felt good to tell you about it, and to get such thoughtful advice back - advice that, believe me, I appreciate and have and will put into practice.